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slow，这是你的网名嘛，你要不要解释一下你的用意是什么",[827,873,874],{},"段永平：用意就是欲速不达，欲速则不达。对，我做企业，我觉得一直都是这种观点，就觉得你要，因为你不是想做一天，做两天，图一个一时痛快。你是想长久的经营，是所谓的永续经营，所以就有点像你开车一样，你说我开车我要到达一个目的地，那我就是能开多快开多快，那我车能够开200公里300公里的时速，我都开",[827,876,877],{},"主持人：通常到不了",[827,879,880],{},"段永平：这就很危险了，对，你说的很对，那么我跟很多人讲，我说我这么多年开车，对吧，经常在路边见到熟人，有些人可能修好车还能再见，有些人可能就不见了，我说的这个其实是一个比喻，而且你像我们这个是属于长跑，所以短期的高速并没有意义，你长跑用短跑的速度，那你一定是跑不完的",[827,882,883],{},"主持人：是，您刚刚提到了跑步，袁鸣刚刚提到了一个问题，怎么跑着跑着，你感觉离开跑道了，你刚刚说了有的朋友路边停着，有的修一修就上路，可是您根本就离开跑道，那个2002年",[827,885,886],{},"袁鸣：2001年、2002年那时候，您就突然离开您的企业去了美国。",[827,888,889],{},"段永平：我去美国主要也是因为家里的缘故",[827,891,892],{},"主持人：是因为家",[827,894,895],{},"段永平：对，因为我太太，就我们结婚之前，她其实本来就在美国，那么，那你想要跟人家结婚，我就自己承诺说，说我们要结婚，我将来我就搬到美国来住，说了就做到，结果人家就说我帮你申请个绿卡，那我就说好吧，因为我觉得这个，申请这个东西都很长，很多很多年的，应该很复杂，因为我们之前是，我们结婚以后我们是搬回来住了。但是，就没想到，绿卡很快就批下来了，那么这个确实也很意外，我自己也措手不及，确实开始没有准备，当然也没有马上就走，后来因为小孩也慢慢长大了，想到希望小孩在那边接受教育，因为我觉得我们共同的观点，都觉得我们可能会更喜欢那个教育体系。就在2002年年底的时候，我们决定搬过去。",[827,897,898],{},"主持人：这一讲也将近五年时间了，你有一个七岁的女儿，不，八岁的儿子，五岁的女儿，可不可以谈谈你的家，你刚刚提到了太太其实学的是摄影",[827,900,901],{},"段永平：对",[827,903,904],{},"主持人：您现在花多少时间在家庭生活，我现在感觉我们在谈的，好像不是一个呼风唤雨的企业家。",[827,906,907],{},"段永平：我大概一年会回国两三次吧。每次待十天左右，那么剩下的时间就会在家里了。",[827,909,910],{},"主持人：三位，你看到了什么，胡先生",[827,912,913],{},"胡海平：应该说他是一个非常有责任，心态也比较平，几句话最终在说的还是比较顾家，但是我总体一个感觉，你在国外赚了很多钱，是买卖股票，但实际上大家很希望看到你把自己的股票能够卖出去，这意思就是步步高，假如在现在目前这样形势下，实际上是一个非常好的机会，几年前如果筹划上市的话，应该说我们认为至少它的市值，是上百亿，上百亿的对吧。那我就想请教一下师兄，对吧，您在这个方面，前几年是打算了还是没打算，那么最近现在有什么打算，那或者是不是有后悔过",[827,915,916],{},"段永平：很有意思，我这次其实跟巴菲特聊到这个问题。因为他问我公司的情况，那最后有一句话，我说我们公司反正一直以来都不决定，就决定不上市，或者叫不决定上市了，反正这个都一样。那么巴菲特没有正面说什么，他跟我说了一个例子，他说他认识一个人，我不想说是谁，但是你们肯定都知道，说宁愿放弃他一半的身家，让公司回到私有状态，他就是从侧面认为你这样做其实是对的，但是你做企业是很无趣、很脏的，就是说你可能很累、很脏、很郁闷的事情，就是有可能很多重复的东西，那我是不愿意用上市这种压力，来改变这个公司的轨道，因为上市有时候，它会导致有些公司会出现一些短视的行为，那么当然上市它又会帮助很多公司，就是比方说你确实需要这些资金，你如果有一个很好的主意，你根本就没有钱的话，你不上市，你根本就没有机会，所以我觉得跟每一个人的实际的情况是有很大的关系，我觉得像我们这样就挺好。",[822,918,920],{"id":919},"二松下幸之助到巴菲特","（二）松下幸之助到巴菲特",[827,922,923],{},"主持人：我今天发现一件事情，段先生是所有来到波士堂的老板里面，从头到尾，从刚刚节目一开始到现在，他一直提到我的企业或我的公司，但到目前为止，他从来没有讲过一次名字，你们有没有发现。",[827,925,926],{},"段永平：我做节目稍微忌讳这个。就是说，因为这是你的节目，提我的名字。",[827,928,929],{},"主持人：不不不，别客气。",[827,931,932],{},"段永平：有一点占你便宜的意思。",[827,934,935],{},"主持人：不不不，无所谓，无所谓，无所谓，节目是大家的。如果你一直不提你的企业的名字，你好歹提提我的名字，对不对，好啦，开玩笑。我问一下我们的刘先生，你想问什么？",[827,937,938],{},"刘洲伟：这么多年听他提到过两个人，当然除了他太太。一个是松下幸之助，就是现在感觉这轨迹是，从松下幸之助到了巴菲特，那么这中间是怎么转换的，除了您刚才讲的家庭这个原因之外，就是这中间转换，段先生有什么。",[827,940,941],{},"主持人：而且家庭的原因，也不觉得应该会从松下幸之助转到巴菲特，好像跟家庭无关。",[827,943,944],{},"段永平：有一点点关系，是因为我们决定搬到美国去呢，我就想我得找点事做，后来我就翻了很多书，至于后来无意中看了巴菲特的东西，我说这个东西我懂，看他的东西就是跟做企业是一样的，所有在我眼里，松下幸之助和巴菲特并没有本质的差异，他就是，一个是自己在做，一个是看别人如何做，对吧，就说你要把你的东西就是像自来水一样，那么方便地提供给你的消费者，但是还要保证品质，保证方便度，有很多，包括我去过他们的总部，见过他前任的CEO，现在的董事长，也看过他那个里头有一个，松下有一个叫做素值两个字，那我猜呢，跟我们公司的本份的意思差不多，回到事物的本源，你说到底你在干什么，那么有很多就是说，对消费者的态度，对产品的这种想法，我觉得",[827,946,947],{},"主持人：是可以共鸣的",[827,949,901],{},[822,951,953],{"id":952},"三stop-doing-list","（三）stop 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list，你有不做的东西，你告诉我，有哪些事你肯定不做，无论是在你的公司里，还是在你的私人生活当中，你肯定不做的是什么",[827,964,965],{},"段永平：像李宗盛讲的，道义放两旁，利字摆中间，有首歌不是这样唱的嘛，好比对不对。开个玩笑我说，我不借钱给朋友，这是我的一条，那么我不投资某一类型的公司，比方说我不懂的东西我不碰，所以你要跟我说这些东西我不懂，我说第一我除非能够弄懂它，第二，我就不会碰它，然后很多人就说了，这个机会可能会失去，对吧，等你弄懂了，它可能已经涨上去了，我说又如何，一辈子你有非常多的机会，但是你要抓快，你可能就掉进去了，这就是快和慢的一个概念，所以我投资我觉得最重要的是，你不要亏钱，而不是说你要去赚到一个这样的机会或者那样的机会，机会永远都在，就是你抓住机会的能力是有限的，而且每个人的抓住机会的能力不一样所以最重要是你要知道自己，什么事情能做，什么事情不能做，尤其是不能做这个东西特别重要，巴菲特其实也是这样做，很多人说，巴菲特为什么没有买谷歌，巴菲特为什么没有买微软，那么对于他来讲，他不懂微软这个生意，他也没有搞懂，所以他就没碰，没什么错，包括像谷歌，我记得我那年去参加他的股东大会，他一口一个谷歌，一口一个谷歌，最后还是没有买，为什么，他觉得贵了，那么我觉得这个其实也没有错，因为在他的眼里，他不太了解这个行业，但是我知道即便他这个年龄，他其实一直都在很努力地想去弄明白，包括你看他最后用了，比尔盖茨做他的，请比尔盖茨做他董事会的成员，对吧，我想这个也是有一定的关系了，包括他跟谷歌的两个founder，跟谷歌的两个创始人非常熟悉，他对谷歌其实挺了解的，远远超出我的想象，人是很容易犯错的，巴菲特也讲了，你可能九十九件事情做对了，一件错误就能够把你九十九件的这个业绩全部给葬送掉了。我记得以前有个人问过我，就说危机时刻，你怎么办，就是说我就跟他举个例子，我开个车200公里（时速），前面有堵墙，我马上就要撞上的时候，你说我能怎么办，没办法，对吧，肯定就死定了",[827,967,968],{},"主持人：就是不办对吧",[827,970,971],{},"段永平：最重要的是你不要把车开那么快，然后做企业的时候，大家说快点快点，撞死拉倒，当然后面那句话一般都不会说，大家都是 鼓励，宣传都是讲，谁谁谁，你看赚钱赚得多快，谁谁谁多快，谁谁谁多快，连自己很多人，都以为自己真的可以开得很快，慢慢地自己都相信自己的神话了，早晚要出事的。",[827,973,974],{},"主持人：有什么感悟",[827,976,977],{},"袁鸣：是不是很像你们浙大的学生，我觉得很有科学精神，而且我听说段总，听说您这个，求实创新，后面很多浙大同学都说了。但是我听说您考大学也考了两次",[827,979,980],{},"段永平：就是说，我是1977年高中毕业，等于高中毕业以后，在78年的年初和年终有两次机会。那么我第一次参加高考，考的四门功课总分加起来80多分，这确实不容易，我觉得，那第二次考我大概中间隔了半年，那么四门功课加起来考了，平均考了80多分，那么我想可能就那一段时间，也算是突然开了窍了，也很用功，我上大学的时候，我记得我都不会打电话，那么确实没见过人家打电话，我自己我记得，我在杭州，我舅舅在杭州，然后我有一个我舅舅的电话，我想我到了杭州，正好头两天挺郁闷的，所以去找一下我舅舅吧，就拿个电话号码，好不容易找了个电话不会打，因为我有一个号码，那个电话上面是没有号码的，后来呢就也不知道问谁，正好因为第一天没有人，最后终于有个人跑过来拿起电话，说喂，总机要外线，我说，电话是这样打的，等人家走了就跑过去，喂总机要外线，这么才学会的。",[822,982,984],{"id":983},"三乐趣就在路程中","（三）乐趣就在路程中",[827,986,987],{},"主持人：你觉得哪一刻，您总不能说是顿悟，可是您觉得对你的人生一定有某一个转折点，是呈现了今天的段总，今天的段先生。",[827,989,990],{},"段永平：你说顿悟的东西确实是有，你比方说，就是可以说得远一点，你比方说，我呢，我在高考的时候，我刚刚讲了我那个经历，对吧，我现在还可以跟你说，我还可以说，但是我进了大学以后，我的感觉特别迷茫，突然一下没有目标了，那么我大概，混了大概有，可能有到大三，到下学期，突然就有个顿悟，说我高考的时候那么有乐趣，就是你每天很充实很忙活，每天我自己要给自己定目标，我要干这个，要干那个，然后我发现我享受到了这个乐趣，发现到了上大学，反正我得到了这个目标以后，也达到了这个目标以后，我反而没有乐趣了，我就悟出一个道理叫做，乐趣是在过程当中，对吧，后来我看巴菲特也写着，人生其实是个旅行，你享受的是你这个过程，你去看的地方，而不是说，不光精彩，那这一点我确实是顿悟到了。那么做企业，我觉得也跟我有一些顿悟是有关系，就是说我刚刚讲的要做对的事情，那么如果发现错的，我就要放弃，广东待了第一个企业，觉得还是有问题，又换到第二个，第二个做小霸王，我做得其实也不错，，但是最后觉得又不对了，因为有些问题，它不是一下会体现出来的，因为由于机制的问题，我就想如果按这样的办法，我五年十年以后，我们其实是做不下去的，既然你知道十年以后，你就会做不下去，凭什么现在还要继续做下去呢，这个跟持股票也一样，我说你要买这股票，投资的概念，是你要打算拿这个股票在今天这个价格的情况下，对吧，你认为它十年二十年 都愿意拿在手里头，那么你都不打算五年以后拿着，那你为什么现在要拿着，当然人家说我要拿着，就是因为明天可能有人卖，有人来买我的，我可以卖更高的价钱，这是另外一个游戏，这个不叫，至少在我的眼里，它其实不叫投资，它叫投机，这个是叫做一个游戏",[827,992,993],{},"主持人：我刚只有一个感受，您现在这个段落，我觉得您在找，是不是，就是说其实您还会做一件事，那件事是什么，或许您知道，但是我感觉不到",[827,995,996],{},"段永平：我有点不太理解，你们觉得我这个段落有什么问题嘛？",[827,998,999],{},"主持人：没 没 没问题",[827,1001,1002],{},"段永平：我觉得挺好啊",[827,1004,1005],{},"主持人：因为这个段落没有特别的",[827,1007,1008],{},"段永平：因为我觉得现在可能是我人生当中最快乐的一个阶段，就天天跟自己小孩在一起，对吧，虽然有时候也很烦，他不听话，",[827,1010,1011],{},"主持人：可是那个烦就是快乐",[827,1013,1014],{},"段永平：这个东西它有时候不能用钱来衡量，说我跟儿子待一个晚上，你出我五万块钱，我就跟你待一晚上，你说你就完蛋了，是吧，我肯定不干，我不是说你",[827,1016,1017],{},"主持人：不不不，段先生",[827,1019,1020],{},"段永平：我开个玩笑。因为我在国内曾经碰过这样的问题，说人家打电话说要找我有事，有什么生意要谈，说我明天过来，我说明天不行，明天礼拜六，他说后天，后天礼拜天，说我已经答应我儿子，他说这个，感觉他对方很诧异，说这个我是生意啊，你这个怎么就，怎么这个事情可以拒绝我呢，我说这个东西，我就不知道怎么回答你，我还是，他的感觉还是你觉得你儿子比我重要，我心想我儿子当然比你重要对吧，所以就不需要回答这个问题",[827,1022,1023],{},"主持人：对对，这也是整个状态。在他的人生里是不是还剩那三个字，今天奇怪了，这一集到目前为止，除了我讲过以外，就没人提过这三个字",[827,1025,1026],{},"袁鸣：什么",[827,1028,1029],{},"主持人：步步高。他自个都没提过，我非提不可，因为其实现在据说这首歌曲，这是一个广东的音乐人专门写给步步高的勉励之歌。您说一下这歌名三个字叫什么？",[827,1031,1032],{},"段永平：步步高",[827,1034,1035],{},"主持人：终于说了，来欢迎段永平先生",[827,1037,1038],{},"段永平：唱歌",[827,1040,1041],{},"刘洲伟：这首歌让我想起，当时他跳的这么一个过程，回过头来看，其实原来就像他这样做企业的人，还很多，但是他们有的已经倒下了，另外的还在坚持的做的非常成功的，但他们本身的命运没有得到一些改变，比如说像一些很大型企业的，或者叫什么集体企业的。但是段永平他很早，他就把这个问题给解决了，等于是把自己的命运给自己掌握了，就自用，不是被人雇佣，是自己用了，对自己这段的人生历程，对他有什么起不起到一个非常重要的作用。",[827,1043,1044],{},"段永平：回过头来看呢，其实选择自己做老板未必是一个明智的选择，就是每个人的生活取向可能不一样",[827,1046,1047],{},"刘洲伟：就比如说，你如果就见到张瑞敏，你会劝他不要做，个人做老板，因为他现在还身份不明",[827,1049,1050],{},"段永平：我呢，我不想说太具体，但有一样东西我刚才就讲了，我悟到这些东西，就当我发现这个东西是不对的时候，我就会停止，我跟很多人讲过，就是你改正一个错误，是需要付出代价的，但是不管多大的代价，都会是最小的代价，就是说你越晚你付出的代价就越大，那么你刚刚讲我这个改正，我觉得有个东西就是，包括我原来在中山，对吧，我就想到，当我想离开（小霸王）那个时候，我就想到如果这样下去，5年10年以后就不是我追求的东西，那我这样做下去，我是错的，我就离开了，不管多大的代价，都会是最小的代价，那现在事实确实证明了这一点。那你说我选择做老板这个，我想也是一个所谓的水到渠成的事情",[822,1052,1054],{"id":1053},"四敢为天下后","（四）敢为天下后",[827,1056,1057],{},"袁鸣：我挺替段总可惜，为什么呢，因为段总其实他对行业很敏感，而且我们都知道，您有非常非常强的营销能力，应该您的营销是非常成功的，您的敏锐度，市场敏锐度，您的营销能力，我总觉得步步高完全有可能或者说有机会加上中国这个市场这么多年的发展，成为比如说中国的三星，中国的松下，中国的索尼甚至中国的苹果",[827,1059,1060],{},"段永平：难道您认为我们现在不是吗？",[827,1062,1063],{},"袁鸣：当然不是，人家是有核心竞争力，他有自己的自主创新，能够引领",[827,1065,1066],{},"段永平：你买东西的时候，你会问这个问题嘛？说步步高是原创，我现在问你一个问题，请告诉我，微软的什么东西是原创的，你回答我这个问题，你能想出微软的东西是原创的，你知道的产品，我付你钱，你说是Windows 还是office，还是word，还是X‑BOX，还是Vista，它就是一个产品，对不对，大家去想，我们公司叫敢为天下后，其实全世界最大的敢为天下后的样板就是微软，没有人想明白这个道理，微软哪样东西是比别人先做的，都不是，我们讲的是消费者导向，原创是什么，我们有非常多的原创，我们从来不说，因为你买东西的时候，你并不在意这个是不是原创，所以我们公司是反对单穿的讲创新的，我们叫消费者导向，我们不能够说，我们以新为新，我们跟别人不一样，我们就叫好，那个是错的，我们东西凭什么能够卖得好，凭什么能够比大多数的竞争对手贵很多，包括我们在，你知道我们现在，像我们的OPPO DVD在美国市场，我们在亚马孙，我们因为只在网上卖，我们在亚马逊 BEST SELLER 已经是好几个月了，总是卖得最好的",[827,1068,1069],{},"主持人：谢谢袁鸣 谢谢袁鸣。你一个高明的发问，彻底燃烧和点燃了",[827,1071,1072],{},"袁鸣：我现在要看到的是胡先生已经很不同意他的观点了，绝对不同意",[827,1074,1075],{},"胡海平：你刚才讲的话我觉得部分同意，但很大一部分不太同意。你说微软它没有创新，微软的Windows也好，那个也好，它的这个集成也是一种创新，你不能说它不是原创型的，对不对。一个成功的科技实业，它应该有大量的前瞻性的研发",[827,1077,1078],{},"段永平：我跟你讲一个北京话，叫做没有金刚钻，不揽瓷器活。我们有前瞻性吗？我们有，我们没有，我活不到今天。对吧，前瞻性是什么。就是说首先你要知道自己是谁，我们说敢为天下后是什么意思，就是说我们看一个市场，首先你因为产品，做企业的人非常清楚，最难的是叫产品教育，说你这个产品，我觉得好，我要去教育他们说，让他们觉得也好，这个像我们这种企业根本就没有能力做，但是如果我是一个比方说我是松下，我是飞利浦，我可能就不得不做因为我不做我就没有机会了",[827,1080,1081],{},"胡海平：但我想说的什么意思呢，因为你刚才说了，你们经过研究以后，步步高这个企业为什么不在中国上市，因为这个如果一上市以后，你就会有更多的钱来做你原创性的研发投入",[827,1083,1084],{},"段永平：很简单，中国有很多上市企业，中国有很多做家电的产品都上市了，它们可能还没我有钱，这是其一；其二，在我们同类产品里头，你给我举一个例子，它谁做的比我好，它们都是上市企业，如果你的逻辑存在，那它一定做的比我好，早就把我打趴下了，对不对。",[827,1086,1087],{},"胡海平：好，师兄你这个就说的对了",[827,1089,1090],{},"段永平：你可以举单例",[827,1092,1093],{},"胡海平：那请问你的目标是，中国的哪些消费电子企业呢，还是三星，还是松下这种类型的企业呢",[827,1095,1096],{},"段永平：我们没有区别",[827,1098,1099],{},"胡海平：今天在提的一个问题的核心是在什么呢，师兄，因为你比我们中国这一代的企业家原始积累完成得更快，你是属于富裕中的杰出代表，那么作为你这样的一种企业家，他考虑的问题应该要比人家要更远，所以你的眼光应该是世界级的，就是或许我们对你的期望更高了，我今天所提的问题",[827,1101,1102],{},"段永平：问题是我现在已经是的情况下，你非说我不是",[827,1104,1105],{},"胡海平：但我认为，你现在是有钱，但是你现在目前，很多的钱，你目前就在核心原创型基础上面的投入不够",[827,1107,1108],{},"段永平：我们开发的能力是非常强的，强到什么程度呢，强到凡是我们在国内进去的产品，到最后都是我们会占到很领先，手机我们刚进去，我们手机面临的对手会非常的强大，我不敢说能够比方说，跟诺基亚或者摩托罗拉在三五年决胜负，在这个市场上，但是我相信，你给我们五年的时间，如果这个市场还在，我们肯定做得比较好，人家确实很强大，但我们能够做的事情就是我们集中在某个局部，我发挥我的优势，这就是主席当年教导我们的，叫什么，叫集中优势兵力，那我们的能力就这一点，我就说，你比方说刚从农村出来，没受过什么教育，你跑到公司里头，看见人家哪些工程师，对吧，都当高阶白领，你就不服了，你说这个生产线我也不干了，我也要当白领，你当不了啊，你就是一个加工者的水平啊，你要面对现实，但是面对现实这个东西是非常需要有勇气的，做企业我觉得，如果说让我跟大家讲，我觉得最重要你要想很远，那你如何能够生存下来，生存下来比任何东西都重要，你说我今天，我要想搞一点激动人心的事情很容易啊，你比方我看到我们公司有些合并案子，对不对，亏很多钱，这个东西，有些东西是先找的我们，而且很多人都骂我，说你小子乌鸦嘴，你说人死，人家都死了，对吧，我说我怎么看法那时候是，所以我看不懂。包括，我不想举具体的案子",[822,1110,1112],{"id":1111},"五更健康更长久","（五）更健康更长久",[827,1114,1115],{},"胡海平：但至少有一点我认为，你这几年到美国去是赚了钱，但是你没有抓住中国的这个资本市场，把步步高这个企业能够超出你想象的发展壮大。作为我们来讲，还是感到有点遗憾，不知你有没有这个感觉。",[827,1117,1118],{},"段永平：这个我觉得我们的文化里头，有一些好大喜功、急功近利的东西，我们企业做得比我在的时候要好啊，对吧，我们企业的核心价值观，我们最宗旨的一条，我们追求的叫做更健康，更长久，你注意，我们没有说更大，对吧。2000年，你们提到亚洲周刊的人，他采访过我一次，他说50年以后，如果在一个媒体，在一个报纸的头条新闻，是关于你们公司的新闻，你最希望是什么样的新闻，你猜得出我的答案嘛？我说任何新闻。",[827,1120,1121],{},"主持人：主要存在",[827,1123,1124],{},"段永平：对，这说明我还活着。Ok 五年。我相信我们公司还会活着，那么我能活下去，而且，你比方说上市，我看到它们上市融了一点资，说实话我根本就不需要，我有的是，就我的钱比它融的资要多，那你说追求一个世界500强，这个不是我的目标，而且其实你看。最简单硅谷有一句话，叫small is beautiful，就是说小不一定是不好，它可能是一个好，那么我自己也讲fast is slow，也有人讲less is more，其实对我来讲，其实我们也用，我们叫焦点法则，就是你不能做太多东西，你要聚焦在某些地方，所以我想对企业的一些理解，它是一些你自己要去悟的东西。",[822,1126,1128],{"id":1127},"六好多事情不能干理性","（六）好多事情不能干，理性",[827,1130,1131],{},"主持人：今天这个脉络还挺清晰的，我们大家都已经清楚好多事不能干",[827,1133,1134],{},"袁鸣：我的问题其实还蛮简单的，就是我不知道在中国这个大的企业版图里面，像段先生这样步步高，不追求什么万丈高，开门高，这种企业多不多，他算不算是个异数。如果是这个异数的话，是因为在他的行业里，竞争比较惨烈，好多人都倒了，爱多什么，倒了很多，他活下来了，所以他才有今天，还是因为他本人的个性，导致了他的企业是这个样子，有没有什么我们可以学的地方。",[827,1136,1137],{},"段永平：我再问一下，你觉得我是个异类吗？",[827,1139,1140],{},"袁鸣：我不知道，就是在你这个行业里面，你能活下来到今天，你学到了什么东西，是你的个性把你的步步高塑造成了这样，是这样吗？",[827,1142,1143],{},"段永平：我个人觉得最重要还是理性。因为我记得我上中欧的时候，第一堂课，张院长，现在他已经去世了，他说了，就是说有一个统计，说这个叫做，所有的这些成功的CEO里头，有一个最大的共性就是诚信的东西。然后你可以有任何各种各样的个性，他都可以经营企业都会成功，所以个性肯定不是决定你成败的唯一因素，理解这意思嘛？",[827,1145,1146],{},"你比方说像开发这个东西，胡先生刚刚提到的，你知道我们一个公司的营业额才多少钱，你想松下这种公司，一年的开发费是多少钱，它们一年的开发费比我们一年的营业额可能都要高，它们已经积累了几十年了，然后你说我们没有核心技术，我要有才见了鬼了，那他们不是白干了吗？对不对所以没有是正常的",[827,1148,1149],{},"主持人：你是异类，因为你把实话说出来了，你算异类",[827,1151,1152],{},"段永平：但是我接触的东西，你比方说我为什么，我看巴菲特的东西我会很舒服，包括我给他发电子邮件，我说，我就跟他学到的东西，就是当我买一只股票的时候，就跟买这个企业一样",[827,1154,1155],{},"主持人：如果你用这样的心，去面对那个你想买的东西，可能就是对的，是吗？",[827,1157,1158],{},"段永平：没错，你说的很对。",[827,1160,1161],{},"主持人：好，但是您做了一件事情跟能力范围无关，有很多人能力超过你却没做的事情。",[822,1163,1165],{"id":1164},"七金钱观","（七）金钱观",[827,1167,1168],{},"袁鸣：段先生做了一件很好的事情，就是和网易的丁磊一起给你的母校募集了4000万美金的这样一笔基金。我的问题，我不知道，你在跟巴菲特吃午饭的时候有没有问过他这样的问题",[827,1170,1171],{},"段永平：我没有跟他做过太多的交流。是因为我在想，你这么一直挣钱下去，对不对，钱对一个人来讲其实是个麻烦，当然了，它有个不同的阶段，一开始的时候你非常需要钱，作为个人的生活，但是你一超出这个范围以后，钱就一定会成为麻烦，这个麻烦如果，你想我给我的子女，我觉得会很对不起他们。第一，他可能就，就是你看很多纨绔子弟就这么来的，很有钱，那么这个钱我总要解决它吧，我也不能说临到最后或者一不小心坐飞机掉下来，当然这个 not 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