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亲身经历出发，聊了不少人生体会和投资经验，特别适合在焦虑、迷茫或者想静下来想想路该怎么走的时候读一读，或许你会发现，答案其实一直都在你心里。",[825,837,838,840],{},[829,839,831],{},"：",[825,842,843],{},"我记得那年我好像在毕业典礼上说过几句话，大概就是三条，你要说分享，我觉得这三条是最重要的。",[825,845,846,850,851,854],{},[847,848,23],"a",{"href":849},"\u002Fzuoduideshiqing","，要",[847,852,28],{"href":853},"\u002Fbashiqingzuodui","。很多人可能会问：我不知道什么是对的事情。但你总会知道，你知道什么是错的，当你发现错了的时候，你要及时改。你不管付了多大代价，往往是最小的代价。",[825,856,857],{},"那么第二点，我一般都是说，叫胸无“大”志。胸无大志，那个大字可能是打了一个引号。所以一般来讲，我们的文化有很多好大喜功、急功近利的东西。我觉得就是要脚踏实地去做事情。",[825,859,860],{},"很多人说“我要创业，我创业的目的就是为了要创业。”如果你心里没有一个你真的想做的事情，只是为了去创业的话，他的成功率就会非常低。当然，不管你有没有成功率都是很低。",[825,862,863,864,867,868,870],{},"那第三点，我说的就是，要做一个",[847,865,217],{"href":866},"\u002Fzhengzhi","的人。这个不是一个利益，主要就是人要有是非，要",[847,869,217],{"href":866},"，要对得起自己的未来。那么，这东西有没有好处？不知道，但是你自己做事情就会比较坦然。我想我能分享的就这几点。",[825,872,873,840],{},[829,874,875],{},"问答环节",[825,877,878,840],{},[829,879,880],{},"主持人",[825,882,883],{},"AI背景下，我们学生在日常的学习方法中，以及未来的一些人生规划上，我们可以做出哪些顺应时代的，就特别是AI变化的，因时代而变的一个想法。不知道段学长有没有什么想法？",[825,885,886,840],{},[829,887,831],{},[825,889,890],{},"其实时代一直都在变，那么，工具在变，但是基本的东西其实还都是一样的。当然大家在学校是学学习的方法，那么有AI，只是帮你，可能效率更高。当然做论文的时候，大家要小心，不要出那种事情。",[825,892,893],{},"那么我觉得最主要，说来说去可能今天你问好多问题，我都是一个回答，就是想长远的。你是想，你五年以后，十年以后，二十年以后，你每一个决策是不是对的。那么，其实在你的学习方法也好，你在创业也好，我觉得在所有的方面，其实它都是相通的。",[825,895,896,840],{},[829,897,880],{},[825,899,900],{},"好的，感谢段学长，不仅是给我们一些建议，也是警示了这个AI工具要适当地使用。",[825,902,903,840],{},[829,904,831],{},[825,906,907],{},"因为AI工具还是有点，尤其做学术做研究，这个还是，大家要谨慎。",[825,909,910,840],{},[829,911,880],{},[825,913,914],{},"段学长在投资时，是如何快速判断一家公司是否值得长期投资的？",[825,916,917,840],{},[829,918,831],{},[825,920,921],{},"基本上我不太会这个事情。你看我过去这十多年，说来说去就那几家公司，那个也都是我很多年对企业，对生意，对产品，对所有东西的理解，攒下来的。",[825,923,924],{},"我也没见过谁真的能够那么快。包括Warren Buffett也好，Munger也好，其实投资做得好的人都很慢。大家并不在乎失去一些机会，但是最重要的是你不要去踩雷。",[825,926,927],{},"很多人也可能会说，你当然你不需要快挣钱，因为你有钱，我们需要快挣钱，因为我没钱。我说：对啊，这也很可能就是你没钱的原因，因为老想挣快钱。",[825,929,930],{},"其实我也想挣快钱，谁不想挣快钱。但是知其不可为很重要，你还是要踏踏实实做该做的事情。",[825,932,933,840],{},[829,934,880],{},[825,936,937],{},"好的，那段学长的意思就是要敢于尝试，并且眼光要放得远一些。",[825,939,940,840],{},[829,941,831],{},[825,943,944],{},"敢于尝试这个，看你怎么个尝试法。比如说，我不是一个不敢冒风险的人，但是你要去冒你能够承受得起的风险。",[825,946,947],{},"大家不能够说，哎呀，谁谁谁，你看他赌对了。投资我最厉害的，那是二十分钟赚了二十多倍。人家说你干嘛了？我在赌场呢。一百块钱赚个两千多块钱我就走了。但是我可以重复这件事吗？我不能。",[825,949,950,951,953],{},"我当年投",[829,952,596],{},"，那也是，几个月赚了二十几倍，真是二十几倍，而且我是全仓的。人家说那你真厉害，你再来一次，我说这个不会，你碰上了。",[825,955,956,959,960,962,963,966],{},[829,957,958],{},"苹果","我们投也很好，那也是，我是2011年投的",[829,961,958],{},"，那现在都2025年了，差不多刚好就是14年了。你看起来好像很好，但要是对这个生意理解不了，对文化理解不了，对",[847,964,70],{"href":965},"\u002Fshangyemoshi","理解不了，早就跑了，也不可能留到现在。",[825,968,969],{},"所以快这个东西是比较难的，这个不像运动员是需要快的。",[825,971,972,840],{},[829,973,880],{},[825,975,976],{},"作为一名创业者与投资者，您还会鼓励当代的大学生创业吗？以及为什么？",[825,978,979,840],{},[829,980,831],{},[825,982,983],{},"这是毕业前还是毕业后？",[825,985,986,840],{},[829,987,880],{},[825,989,990],{},"我想他的想法可能是，大学生作为一个身份，比如说是在毕业前我们在学校里可以有一些创业的一些想法，或者说在毕业后具体去落地，现在其实我们也有很多同学在我们学校中也在进行一些创业的项目。",[825,992,993,840],{},[829,994,831],{},[825,996,997],{},"我没有说过我要，就不叫还会不会，我也没有鼓励过。",[825,999,1000],{},"我觉得该创业的人根本就不需要你鼓励，你有个很强烈的想法，你就会去做。",[825,1002,1003],{},"现在创业的条件比我们当年要好很多了，你还能找到VC、startup，像这种各种各样的基金的支持。我们那个时候都是从零开始的，你也没有什么别的东西可以帮你，你只能靠自己一点一点做。所以现在和那个时候确实是不完全一样，所以现在创业条件要比那个时候好。",[825,1005,1006],{},"但是我觉得很重要的一点是，大家不能为了创业而创业。你是真的有想法，真的。怎么说呢，还有就是走投无路的时候，有时候也是创业的一个好办法，因为我们当年就是走投无路的。",[825,1008,1009,840],{},[829,1010,880],{},[825,1012,1013],{},"在不断变化的时代背景下，您个人是如何保持学习和适应新知的?",[825,1015,1016,840],{},[829,1017,831],{},[825,1019,1020],{},"我非要学新东西吗？",[825,1022,1023],{},"但是是这样的，我觉得学校你主要学的，还是讲的那句话，就是你的学习学习的能力。但是当你碰到有兴趣的时候，你不会对未来的东西感到恐惧。你觉得有兴趣，你就可以想起来我该怎么学习，你要会去找书、查资料、你去理解，包括可能逻辑能力。我觉得这个学习能力就比这些受教育程度低的，相对来讲要好很多。",[825,1025,1026],{},"你比方说我妈妈，一说，哎呀，iPhone也不肯用，iPad也不肯用，觉得太难了我肯定不会。她是拒绝学习的，我看过好多人是拒绝学习的。",[825,1028,1029],{},"我前两天，我还看我一同事，我说你这个字，是手写板写的吧？他说是。我说你为什么不练打字呢？哎呀他说不一直都没练。他比我小十岁，我说你这个没有道理。他说好。我说我就花了三天的时间，我就学会打字了，就是因为太不方便了。我们最早的时候是没有这个东西的，我也用过写字板，接在电脑上。",[825,1031,1032],{},"其实你只要不恐惧，你知道自己能学会，其实就没有什么问题。当然，你还是要学你需要的东西。这是一个知识爆炸的年代，你不能说所有新东西你都学，那不得累死，学了也白学。",[825,1034,1035],{},"有好多人看起来知识很渊博，你再渊博，你能渊博得过搜索吗？所以，何苦呢，对吧？",[825,1037,1038,840],{},[829,1039,880],{},[825,1041,1042],{},"一个好赛道往往会随着竞争的加剧而进入低毛利的时期，在这样低毛利的一个时期下，创业者该如何应对？",[825,1044,1045,840],{},[829,1046,831],{},[825,1048,1049,1050,1052,1053,1056],{},"首先，好赛道是不会进入低毛利的，低毛利的都是",[847,1051,70],{"href":965},"比较差的，产品",[847,1054,146],{"href":1055},"\u002Fchayihua","很小的产品。那作为创业者你还要进去，那就脑子坏了呗。",[825,1058,1059,1060,1062],{},"投资也好，创业也好，其实都是要很认真地去想一个",[847,1061,70],{"href":965},"的。但我觉得创业还是有点不一样，创业是真的你必须要创业的时候，你要找的东西是你自己真的有感觉的东西。",[825,1064,1065],{},"我当年做游戏，没有别的原因，就因为我自己爱玩游戏，所以我从来不批评爱玩游戏的学生，我就那样。我儿子要玩游戏，我让他玩，我只是想办法跟他商量，你玩多少时间。",[825,1067,1068],{},"就是说他要干很多事去挣时间，而不是说简单地就不让他玩了，因为我自己就喜欢，反正我觉得所有的事情都是游戏。",[825,1070,1071],{},"有人喜欢学习其实也是，他有快乐，游戏也是可以带来快乐的东西。我们做企业也好，做投资也好，其实都是一种游戏。所以，游戏是个好的东西。",[825,1073,1074],{},"反正创业是这样的，你要完全想做一个能赚钱，能出人头地，但不知道自己想做什么，你真的不知道最后能做出啥来，因为他没有什么感觉。",[825,1076,1077,1078,1081],{},"我做游戏的时候，我确实碰过，像",[829,1079,1080],{},"小霸王","游戏机的时候，我知道很多人会像我一样。",[825,1083,1084],{},"那我想的事情就特简单，我并不要说服别人去玩游戏，我只是要把我的东西，产品做好就好。",[825,1086,1087,1088,1091],{},"你要是搞一个新东西，要让别人去知道这是个啥，那个过程是要远比你把大家都喜欢的东西做好了、质量做好了、",[847,1089,161],{"href":1090},"\u002Fqudao","做好了、服务做好了，那个难度要大特别多。",[825,1093,1094],{},"后面做的事，就是我们做企业其实没有那么难。当然了，当你规模大到一定程度，你就必须得往前走。",[825,1096,1097,1098,1101],{},"我们早年说",[847,1099,48],{"href":1100},"\u002Fganweitianxiahou","，那时候我们很小。现在我们也做很多新东西，那也没办法，你不做，你前面就没人了，那怎么办？",[825,1103,1104,840],{},[829,1105,880],{},[825,1107,1108,1109,1112,1113,1115],{},"您的",[847,1110,12],{"href":1111},"\u002Fbenfen","哲学中说到，",[847,1114,23],{"href":849},"，那么大学生要如何判断一件事是否是对的？",[825,1117,1118,840],{},[829,1119,831],{},[825,1121,1122],{},"其实是知道的。有些事情你不知道，那你做了你将来也是会知道的，因为你会受到惩罚。但是你发现错了，一定要马上停，大部分事情我想大部分人是知道的。",[825,1124,1125],{},"但很多人做错的事情，为什么很多人明知是错的，他还要继续做呢？因为错的事情往往是有短期的诱惑。",[825,1127,1128],{},"比方说抽烟、酗酒等等，你看多少人，该抽还抽。难道他们不知道那个不好吗？知道。当然这个不伤害别人也不是问题，只是说对自己身体不好。",[825,1130,1131],{},"那有很多，你比方说，这些舞弊的、论文作假的，他们不知道这是错的吗？他们知道。但他们为什么还要做？难道这个也要大学教吗？",[825,1133,1134,1135,1137],{},"所以我觉得每一个人为什么说要",[847,1136,217],{"href":866},"，就是你自己要有一个东西去约束自己，你发现错了就马上改。",[825,1139,1140],{},"当然生意上也是一样，你买了个错的股票，我发现很多人会这样的，当然他炒股票我就不好说了，他以为这个公司是这样的，发现是那样的，他不会马上跑，他会说等着它涨回来了再跑。",[825,1142,1143],{},"我记得有人跟我讲乐视那个时候，说哎呀乐视现在掉了很多，到三十几块了，问我怎么办。我说三十几块价钱很好，因为将来会是零的，所以你现在什么价格卖都是好价钱。你要等它涨回五十块，这个有点难。",[825,1145,1146],{},"当然我后来发现他是想把那股票卖给我。这是原来乐视的第二大股东，我觉得那是个坏人。",[825,1148,1149,840],{},[829,1150,880],{},[825,1152,1153],{},"您认为一名刚迈入职场的青年教师该如何传承好这份育人精神，实现与学生的双向奔赴？",[825,1155,1156,840],{},[829,1157,831],{},[825,1159,1160],{},"这个有点难，我对现在的学校生活已经不太了解了。但我觉得老师跟学生，关键应该是在老师。老师关注学生，真的关心学生，那跟学生的关系自然就会好一些。",[825,1162,1163],{},"我现在搞不清楚老师跟学生现在有多少接触，我们那时候确实是多一些的，学校也少，人也少一些，地方也小。",[825,1165,1166],{},"我们就在三分部，后来是大一的学生去的是吧？现在呢，现在都不去了。",[825,1168,1169,840],{},[829,1170,880],{},[825,1172,1173],{},"现在是法学院。",[825,1175,1176,840],{},[829,1177,831],{},[825,1179,1180],{},"法学院啊，法学院很好。但那里蚊子很厉害，天也很热。",[825,1182,1183,840],{},[829,1184,880],{},[825,1186,1187],{},"请问段学长，在中美对立的时代中，浙大人的创业机会在哪？作为校友，能够为创业的校友提供哪些支持？",[825,1189,1190,840],{},[829,1191,831],{},[825,1193,1194],{},"中美对立吗？我们学校谁建的？大家不要忘了这个事。我们读的浙江大学，那都是有很多老美的痕迹，北大、清华，大学里面，大家对这个东西不应该忘记，其实人家对我们还挺好的。",[825,1196,1197],{},"我看过很多人现在去美国，没有人受太多的障碍，挺好的。我相信将来也会好起来，可能眼前有一些短期的冲突，包括又选了这么个总统，对吧？确实，会有一些麻烦。",[825,1199,1200,840],{},[829,1201,880],{},[825,1203,1204],{},"好的，感谢段学长的回答。相信我们浙大人也会继续保持开放交流的这么一个心态，继续去努力做全球的一个领导者人才。下一个问题来自竺可桢学院的同学：如果您今天是二十岁，您要创业，您会选择哪个赛道，以及选择合伙人的标准是什么？",[825,1206,1207,840],{},[829,1208,831],{},[825,1210,1211],{},"这个还真不知道。我觉得，如果我有机会，我还是找份工作，好好享受人生，创业并不容易的。你不要看到有些人成功，成功率非常低，大部分人忙一辈子其实没什么好的结果。",[825,1213,1214],{},"竺可桢学院本身也很厉害的，黄峥就从那里出来的，我知道他们很厉害，但是也不意味着他们成功率就会高很多。但是想去创业，你就尽管去，现在条件真是比原来我们那个时候好很多。",[825,1216,1217,840],{},[829,1218,880],{},[825,1220,1221],{},"好，谢谢段学长的回答。我猜测刚才这位同学应该也是有创业的想法，所以想要直接来提问一下。",[825,1223,1224,840],{},[829,1225,831],{},[825,1227,1228],{},"有想法，有条件，就去做。你如果只是为了创业而创业，你就小心，这就是我的观点。我并不知道大家应该做什么。现在哪知道，信息这么爆炸，我整天忙着就是打球，谁还管得着这些事。",[825,1230,1231,840],{},[829,1232,880],{},[825,1234,1235],{},"文科学生创新创业可以走怎样的赛道？",[825,1237,1238,840],{},[829,1239,831],{},[825,1241,1242],{},"简单讲我不知道。因为我不是读文科的，我连语文课都没上过，真没上过。",[825,1244,1245],{},"中学我们没有语文课，只有政语课，叫政治语文课。学的都是那些什么，天连五岭银锄落，地动三河铁臂摇。你们太年轻了，你们不一定听得懂。这里有听得懂的。所以，是不一样。",[825,1247,1248],{},"我上大学的时候，语文居然考了六十多分，我还蛮意外的，确实是没有任何底子。",[825,1250,1251],{},"但是我妈妈在图书馆工作那时候，所以老是去图书馆，虽然看的书没有那么高级，也过得去吧，《金光大道》、《艳阳天》，这个你们听起来估计都很陌生，你们太年轻了。",[825,1253,1254],{},"所以，搞不清楚现在创业从哪搞，真的搞不清楚，有点难。",[825,1256,1257,840],{},[829,1258,880],{},[825,1260,1261],{},"平常累的时候会怎么放松？",[825,1263,1264,840],{},[829,1265,831],{},[825,1267,1268],{},"累的时候就该睡觉了吧？睡得好的话。但是有时候，也不知道。",[825,1270,1271],{},"你可以有好多，拉伸、泡个热水澡，就是属于物理治疗的东西，大概是这样。没有什么特别的东西，我们都是凡人，都是普通人。我这里没有什么神秘的东西，没有什么诀窍的东西。",[825,1273,1274,840],{},[829,1275,880],{},[825,1277,1278,1279,1281,1282,1284],{},"其实我们的西区马上也要建成了，是由段学长您冠名的",[829,1280,831],{},"的一个文体中心，是我们一个非常大的一个文体活动中心。在未来也会有非常多同学能够在这个文艺活动中心中，去进行更多的文艺活动，包括体育活动的各类的锻炼和放松，也欢迎未来",[829,1283,831],{},"学长多回来，多回母校看看。",[825,1286,1287,840],{},[829,1288,831],{},[825,1290,1291],{},"我去看了那个地方今天，我觉得挺好的。",[825,1293,1294],{},"我觉得同学们在上大学，当然大学以前，也要有这个习惯，养成运动的习惯，安全的运动，要学会拉伸，我们以前是不知道的。傻呵呵地搞得这个，我有时现在都觉得膝盖有点小问题，就是以前不够注重这些东西。我觉得现在条件好，而且里面有人教什么的，挺好的。",[825,1296,1297,840],{},[829,1298,880],{},[825,1300,1301],{},"对，我们浙大同学的这个课余时间的这个文体活动也是非常的丰富，也非常欢迎段学长，到时候回到咱们这个建好的场馆里面和同学们打打球之类的。",[825,1303,1304,840],{},[829,1305,831],{},[825,1307,1308],{},"我还能打点乒乓球我觉得。",[825,1310,1311,840],{},[829,1312,880],{},[825,1314,1315],{},"段学长觉得浙大有什么样的气质和氛围影响了您的创业投资和生活呢？",[825,1317,1318,840],{},[829,1319,831],{},[825,1321,1322,1323,1325],{},"我记得我们单位曾经还有一个人说，一定要跟着",[829,1324,831],{},"的脚步，所以要把儿子送到信电系。我说那我下过哪条河摸鱼你没有去过。",[825,1327,1328],{},"所以其实是不知道的。成长有很多种因素，如果这个因素是成立的，那应该所有人都跟我一样。",[825,1330,1331],{},"但你说跟浙大有没有关系？当然是有的，我觉得浙大肯定毫无疑问是个好学校，但是也会出问题。我现在不了解，现在学生和老师都多了好多。在三部的时候，我觉得反正师生关系确实还是蛮好的。",[825,1333,1334,840],{},[829,1335,880],{},[825,1337,1338],{},"包括我们现在信电学院，也是段学长您的母院，我们现在信电学子们都有一个特别经典的四个字叫做“勤奋乐观”，我们都会说要争做勤奋乐观的信电人，这两个词也是我们现在信电学院整体的学生培养的一个特质。",[825,1340,1341],{},"包括在学习上我们要时刻保持勤奋，保持不畏难，坚持挖掘一些更多的难点，然后在平常的生活中，我们要保持乐观、积极向上的一个态度，这也是我们现在信电学院的一个学生的特点。那，下一个问题是来自数学......(被打断)",[825,1343,1344,840],{},[829,1345,831],{},[825,1347,1348],{},"我可以对刚才那两个，就是叫什么，勤奋和乐观？",[825,1350,1351,840],{},[829,1352,880],{},[825,1354,1355],{},"是的是的，勤奋乐观，不知道学长您对我们现在信电学院这个“勤奋乐观”两个词......(被打断)",[825,1357,1358,840],{},[829,1359,831],{},[825,1361,1362,1363,1365,1366,1368],{},"我觉得最重要的是要",[847,1364,23],{"href":849},"和",[847,1367,28],{"href":853},"。我要你勤奋，你勤奋得起来吗？",[825,1370,1371,1372,1374],{},"我就从来不勤奋。我可是想尽办法偷懒。我偷懒的意思不是说那你就考试偷看，你就用ChatGPT来写论文，这个你参考是可以的，但我觉得最重要还是脑子里要有是非，要想着",[847,1373,23],{"href":849},"，发现错了要赶紧改。",[825,1376,1377],{},"乐观？乐观是个个性的问题吧，不是每个人都能想乐观就乐观得起来的。",[825,1379,1380],{},"这两个东西说完了以后，我觉得大家真的会得到什么好处吗？我觉得我可以质疑一下。",[825,1382,1383],{},"创新也是要小心的。很多人把创新理解成不一样，我觉得那个要特别小心。",[825,1385,1386],{},"最主要是你到底想干什么，你给用户带来什么价值。你说我做了一个东西，以前没人用，没有人有的，创新了吧？可是也没有人喜欢，你不就惨了吗？",[825,1388,1389],{},"所以这些创新，你是在弥补人家需要，但是没有做到的事情。",[825,1391,1392,1394,1395,1397],{},[847,1393,146],{"href":1055},"不是说不同，",[847,1396,146],{"href":1055},"其实跟创新是一个意思，就是你要去满足用户的需求。",[825,1399,1400],{},"用户包括很多方面，你说老师满足学生的需求，也是用户对吧？你建楼质量建好了，那不也是一种服务吗？你只是要建得好看但是不好用，不就瞎大了吗？扯远了。",[825,1402,1403,840],{},[829,1404,880],{},[825,1406,1407,1408,1410],{},"顺着学长您刚才的回答也想到了，您之前有提到过，“",[847,1409,48],{"href":1100},"，后中争先”，这个应该是您之前有类似提到过。",[825,1412,1413,840],{},[829,1414,831],{},[825,1416,1417,1418,1420],{},"我在",[829,1419,1080],{},"的时候提过这个好像。",[825,1422,1423,840],{},[829,1424,880],{},[825,1426,1427,1428,1430],{},"是的是的，",[847,1429,48],{"href":1100},"，这其实也是一个学长的理念，就是不能去盲目地创新，是吧？",[825,1432,1433,840],{},[829,1434,831],{},[825,1436,1437,1438,1440,1441,1444,1445,1447,1448,1444,1450,1447,1452,1444,1455,1457],{},"我说过“",[847,1439,48],{"href":1100},"”，我可以给你举很多例子。比方说",[829,1442,1443],{},"Google","，",[847,1446,48],{"href":1100},"吧？",[829,1449,958],{},[847,1451,48],{"href":1100},[829,1453,1454],{},"微软",[847,1456,48],{"href":1100},"吧？那你说，还有谁不是？做的成功的企业，早期。",[825,1459,1460],{},"但这些年可能也有些新的，你比方说AI，刚好出来一个什么东西，其实很多人也是跟着做的。你看豆包，它也不是新的。多少人做Chat，从ChatGPT开始，但是这个东西其实我也搞不清楚。",[825,1462,1463],{},"我现在用好多个，ChatGPT、Gemini、Perplexity，豆包我也用，但是你说他们创新吗？创，但是他们其实未必是最先做的那个。但是他发现了这个东西，他刚好有这个实力，他把他做得比别人更好，他可能更厉害了。",[825,1465,1466,1469,1470,1472,1473,1475,1476,1478],{},[829,1467,1468],{},"谷歌","的search，你看，显然不是",[829,1471,1468],{},"先做的，雅虎肯定是早多了。那你说",[829,1474,958],{},"的iPhone，我们做手机感觉都比他早，其实也可能没有真的比他们早。但人家",[847,1477,48],{"href":1100},"，但是你看他实力强，他后发制人。",[825,1480,1481,1482,1484,1485,1487],{},"但是有些东西，你后也不一定行，哪怕你是",[829,1483,1454],{},"。你看他搜索，他就没有办法搞过",[829,1486,1443],{},"，所以他就特别热衷于搞ChatGPT，因为他想从这个角度把社群抢回来，这是我瞎猜的，我不知道。我也没那么关心，我就想着好好打打球啥的。",[825,1489,1490,840],{},[829,1491,880],{},[825,1493,1494],{},"您如何看待追热点，或者说模仿与创新之间的关系？",[825,1496,1497,840],{},[829,1498,831],{},[825,1500,1501],{},"追热点？这种东西，它这个定义不是很完整，我也不知道什么叫追热点。追星也算对吧？追风口也算。",[825,1503,1504],{},"你刚刚说什么？哦，模仿与创新。你要能够做出不模仿的东西，又是很好的东西，那当然可以。但是，我都几乎很难找出一个例子它不是从模仿开始的。",[825,1506,1507,1508,1510,1511,1513],{},"刚刚刚讲完，",[829,1509,1454],{},"也是，",[829,1512,1454],{},"就没有什么东西，你想想他是自己一开始是他做的，他都是有类似的产品在前面，做完了以后他跟着做的。",[825,1515,1516,1510,1518,1520],{},[829,1517,958],{},[829,1519,1443],{},"也是，Amazon其实也是。Facebook算不算我还不好说，因为social media 那个时候好像没有那么多，但他其实也是在别人的基础上建立起来的，所以他好像在哈佛的校园网上就搞出来了。",[825,1522,1523],{},"所以我觉得这个首先它不是个矛盾，然后我也不知道我该说啥。我觉得这个好像也没有什么冲突在里头。",[825,1525,1526,840],{},[829,1527,880],{},[825,1529,1530],{},"段学长记忆中的校园和今天看到的有哪些相同和不同？",[825,1532,1533,840],{},[829,1534,831],{},[825,1536,1537],{},"说句实话，我也没怎么注意，坐个车逛了一圈，也没有去三分部，三分部应该也没有太大的变化，蚊子还是那些蚊子。",[825,1539,1540,840],{},[829,1541,880],{},[825,1543,1544],{},"如何培养看待问题的批判性思维？",[825,1546,1547,840],{},[829,1548,831],{},[825,1550,1551],{},"这个我搞不清楚，我没有什么批判性思维。我就是想，我本质想的是什么东西，想长远想本质。",[825,1553,1554],{},"那你跟我做的一样，你挺好，我干嘛要批判你呢？但是有些东西我可能看见我觉得，因为我看很多就像你刚才讲的勤奋乐观，我就瞎说啊，不知道这背后都是什么，我也没有仔细想。",[825,1556,1557,1558,1560],{},"但是确实，有人说过，什么东西最重要，他说勤奋最重要。我说不是，我说",[847,1559,23],{"href":849},"最重要。因为，我说勤奋最重要，你会变得更勤奋吗？你不会，至少我不会。",[825,1562,1563,1564,1566],{},"但是你想着",[847,1565,23],{"href":849},"，发现错了你赶紧改，这一辈子你累积三十几年，四十几年，你每一个决定都是基于十年，二十年以后回过头来看，你会发现你会省好多力气。",[825,1568,1569],{},"我们三十年毕业，四十年毕业，我看那些同学，都是很聪明的人，但是有些人在原地就转了三十年，四十年，那就是可能每个小的决定，他都是基于眼前的利益。",[825,1571,1572],{},"勤奋吗？他们可勤奋了，但是不管用。",[825,1574,1575],{},"所以我有时候，我不觉得这是一个批判性，我觉得我自己会去想这个事，所以养成一个想本质的习惯我觉得挺好，你凡事你就这么想，那么时间长了你可能就有这种，能够想本质的习惯。但是是不是叫批判性的思维，我就不知道。批判性思维我听起来感觉好像恶狠狠的样子。",[825,1577,1578,840],{},[829,1579,880],{},[825,1581,1582],{},"如何成为像您这样一个非常坚定特别高能量的人，能够欣然应对或者预警去承受工作中生活中的挑战和痛苦？",[825,1584,1585,840],{},[829,1586,831],{},[825,1588,1589],{},"我是凡人，有痛苦我也一样。我还是个懒人，你看我早早就退休了。我是退休20多年了，我今年63岁，那么我大概40岁我就退休了，显然我就是不愿意面对这样的压力。",[825,1591,1592],{},"我已经享受过了，我知道这工作的乐趣，然后我们有更年轻更能干的人，他们比我干的还好，那何乐而不为呢？但这不是我想教他们的，不是每个人都有那样的运气，正好有那么多好伙伴可以跟你一起合作。",[825,1594,1595],{},"当然我也有我的心得的，我能做到今天，那我有很多对人的支持、我的分享的精神。",[825,1597,1598],{},"我觉得很多人用人的时候都是那种，要让别人为自己工作。我是希望他们能够为他们自己工作，而不是为我工作。因为要花很多时间去建立这样一个系统，这样我就也可以面临小一点的压力，所以我并不是说我去硬扛。",[825,1600,1601],{},"我举个特别简单的例子，我们公司其实是没有销售部的，我们只是给代理。因为早年我发现，销售部就是每个客人都来找你谈呀谈呀，我发现谈来谈去全是谈价钱。",[825,1603,1604],{},"然后我后来就想，我必须得解决这个问题。所以我们公司的价钱给每一个人都是一样的，没有说你客户大，你就有折扣，那得多累呀，你这个压力很大。",[825,1606,1607],{},"我那个时候一天，可能吃八顿饭，去六次桑拿，去五六七八次的卡拉ok，神经病吗那是？那我肯定不想去对不对？没办法，每一个客户缠着你要跟你谈价钱。那个时候我们才做很小很小的生意的时候，就已经是那样了，你想十年二十年以后，你不就完蛋了吗？当然，也可能熬不到十年二十年，要那样忙的话。",[825,1609,1610],{},"所以我就花了大概三年的时间，建立了我们的销售系统，这也是一种对抗压力的办法。",[825,1612,1613,840],{},[829,1614,880],{},[825,1616,1617],{},"好的，感谢段学长的回答。刚才您也提到了对于我们年轻人要为自己而工作，那么顺着您的回答，下一个问题想问您说，年轻人的什么特质会吸引到您，以及您希望会与怎么样的人成为合伙人？",[825,1619,1620,840],{},[829,1621,831],{},[825,1623,1624],{},"你说我认为年轻人为自己工作，我的意思不是那个意思。",[825,1626,1627],{},"我的意思是，我要让我们的员工为他们工作，我并不是说要求，这个意思好像还是有点差别的。当然实现自我也是应该的，但是跟我说的那个话意思不太一样。",[825,1629,1630],{},"因为我作为一个CEO，我是要去support他们，我要去支持他们，我让他们觉得他们是在为自己工作，而不是让他们说你们要为自己工作，就把我给踢走了。意思不完全一样。然后这个问题我就忘了。",[825,1632,1633,840],{},[829,1634,880],{},[825,1636,1637],{},"刚才这个问题是想请问您，年轻人的什么特质会吸引到您？",[825,1639,1640,840],{},[829,1641,831],{},[825,1643,1644],{},"年轻是哪方面的？年轻人年轻啊，你的年龄就是我的梦想啊现在。我都回不去了。",[825,1646,1647,840],{},[829,1648,880],{},[825,1650,1651],{},"那我们要不请这位同学站起来和咱们段学长交流一下，解释一下你的问题。",[825,1653,1654,840],{},[829,1655,1656],{},"现场观众",[825,1658,1659],{},"段学长您好，非常高兴能和您面对面这个交流问题。我想知道的是，比如说我知道您和黄峥之间有一个有很深的友谊，您可能也看重黄峥身上的一些点。所以我想请问一下您，关于年轻人的哪些特质会非常地吸引到您？然后您觉得这些点应该是OK的，谢谢。",[825,1661,1662,840],{},[829,1663,831],{},[825,1665,1666],{},"其实跟年纪没有关系，我肯定不喜欢跟我没有办法沟通的人打交道。我非常喜欢黄峥，我跟黄峥聊天我很开心，我觉得他是一个看本质的人，跟我一样，我觉得这个还是比较重要的。",[825,1668,1669],{},"那说，他到底算不算年轻人，当然他算，其实我据说也算。",[825,1671,1672,1673,850,1675,1677],{},"那其实你看又回到我说的那个，去",[847,1674,23],{"href":849},[847,1676,28],{"href":853},"，你要想长远。我觉得黄峥他就是那么个人，所以我们一块聊天的时候，我们就不会聊着聊着就不在一个频道上，但大部分人是会的，我跟很多人聊天，我觉得其实是不容易聊得下去的。",[825,1679,1680],{},"所以，这个不知道算不算回答了这个问题。我觉得还是回到事物的本源上去。",[825,1682,1683,840],{},[829,1684,880],{},[825,1686,1687],{},"假如您可以让刚刚大学毕业的自己每天坚持做一件事情，您会选择什么？",[825,1689,1690,840],{},[829,1691,831],{},[825,1693,1694],{},"睡觉。每天坚持是啥意思？经常做，你像体育锻炼要做。还有啥？我觉得太多事情需要做了，但是你说必须要选一件事情或者两件事情，这个问题有点难。",[825,1696,1697,840],{},[829,1698,880],{},[825,1700,1701],{},"我猜这位同学他是想问您，就是关于习惯养成啊，或者走向成功之路的那种。",[825,1703,1704,840],{},[829,1705,831],{},[825,1707,1708],{},"那运动很重要，那不一定天天啦。因为你要保持身体的健康，保持大脑的清醒。",[825,1710,1711,1712,1714],{},"那还有一个是，还是又回到我刚刚说的逻辑上，你要清楚，凡事你要想长远，你要坚持",[847,1713,23],{"href":849},"，发现错了你要赶紧改。",[825,1716,1717,1719],{},[847,1718,28],{"href":853},"是个学习的过程，就是说，你会犯错误。",[825,1721,1722],{},"很多人是分不清楚错的事情，和把事情做错，那个是性质完全不一样的事情。你不能因为怕把事情做错了，你就不做事，因为你怎样做你都会错。但是明知是错的，你不应该做。",[825,1724,1725,840],{},[829,1726,880],{},[825,1728,1729],{},"您可以分享一下您在求学和创业过程中遇到过哪些挫折吗？",[825,1731,1732,840],{},[829,1733,831],{},[825,1735,1736],{},"求学的挫折，我差点大学就没毕业。王东潘（音似）老师帮了我很大的忙，不然我真有可能毕不了业，毕业答辩过不去，那也算挫折了吧。",[825,1738,1739],{},"然后创业，那太多了，每一个产品的问题。我那时候电话是24小时开机，但是我非常地不愿意接电话，因为每一个电话可能都是麻烦。然后还有问题吗？这个太多了。",[825,1741,1742,840],{},[829,1743,880],{},[825,1745,1746],{},"那你面对这些挫折的时候，有没有什么解决的想法，或者说是心得之类的可以跟我们分享吗？",[825,1748,1749,840],{},[829,1750,831],{},[825,1752,1753],{},"其实还是有的，你做事情要尽量地想长远，又回去了。",[825,1755,1756],{},"你不要让重要的事情变成紧急的事情，我觉得这个很重要。否则你一天到晚接电话，我现在就没有这个问题了。我记得很久以前我就基本上不接电话，就是不要有太多的紧急的事情。",[825,1758,1759],{},"你比方说你要锻炼身体，你不能说等到病得不行了去看医生，其实也都很难。虽然看医生也很重要，定期的检查很重要。",[825,1761,1762],{},"我记得我以前在北京，做过一个节目，他们说，这个叫“危机时刻”。我不知道你们有没有注意过，我说过这个。北京专门有北京电视台，我当CEO的时候，我其实还经常去采访，这个那个，为了企业嘛。",[825,1764,1765],{},"那边问我：危机时刻你怎么办？我说，我开着车，200公里的时速，前面20米有一堵墙，肯定要撞上去了，你觉得我该怎么办？没什么办法，死定了反正。",[825,1767,1768],{},"他说那你怎么办？我说最重要你不要开那么快啊，你干嘛要去撞墙呢？你开辆好车，坦克行。他是完全靠长远的角度去解决这个问题，你不能等到这种。",[825,1770,1771],{},"就像大家很喜欢看危机时刻，哇这个人临危不惧。临危不惧不最后还是死了吗？所以并没有意义，你要预防这种情况，所以安全第一。安全第一并不是说到那个时候你有办法，那个时候没办法，你要提早做准备。",[825,1773,1774,840],{},[829,1775,880],{},[825,1777,1778],{},"在您的视角中，信息差对于投资和选择的影响有多大？",[825,1780,1781,840],{},[829,1782,831],{},[825,1784,1785],{},"炒股票的，对我没有什么，除非你买了马上想卖，想赚点那种不该赚的钱。当然了，也有一些是靠信息差赚钱的，我没有那么喜欢这种事情。",[825,1787,1788],{},"我觉得对我来讲，投资它实际上不是一个零和游戏，信息差实际上是个零和游戏，就是你利用这个信息，别人没得到之前，你赚了别人该赚的钱或者怎么样，当然也不能这么讲。",[825,1790,1791],{},"但我觉得量化投资是有点那个味道，但是你不做别人做了，作为一个生意无可厚非。",[825,1793,1794],{},"但我觉得你看长远以后，这些东西都是一个小小的波澜，你太care了你很累。我的球还要不要打了，你的生活要生活的嘛。",[825,1796,1797],{},"所以你看长远，你找到好公司你就拿着。那人家说拿着他们就听见了，好公司没听见，你拿个错公司你不就死得更惨吗？",[825,1799,1800,1801,1804,1805,1807],{},"我跟好多人讲，他就是讲不明白。说哎呀",[847,1802,58],{"href":1803},"\u002Fjiazhitouzi","就是长期投资，不是的。",[847,1806,58],{"href":1803},"，那请问他还有别的投资办法吗？其实他是没有的。你投的就是价值，如果你不投价值，你投的是什么？",[825,1809,1810,1811,1814,1815,1818],{},"所以你看长远，你拿到好公司，你的生活可以愉快许多。所以你看沃伦",[829,1812,1813],{},"巴菲特","，查理",[829,1816,1817],{},"芒格","，你看他们活得都很长。",[825,1820,1821,1822,1825],{},"你看那些，很",[847,1823,125],{"href":1824},"\u002Ftouji","很有名的那些人，大部分死得都很惨。这是真事，真死了，或者说生意也死得很惨，国内也不是没有。作为一个有钱人，好好的跑去坐了牢了，你这种多想不开。",[825,1827,1828,840],{},[829,1829,880],{},[825,1831,1832],{},"您是否经历过投资高风险与高回报的一个关键决策时刻？以及面对这样一个高度不确定的市场，您如何平衡风险与收益？",[825,1834,1835,840],{},[829,1836,831],{},[825,1838,1839],{},"你明知高风险你还要去做，这不脑子坏了吗？真是这样的。",[825,1841,1842],{},"但是风投不一样，风投他们不冒风险，他是拿你的钱去投，赚到的钱有他的一份，那他当然可以做。当然他也会去有一些判别，现在市场或者未来市场有可能喜欢，他可以融到更多的钱，你第一轮投进去，你可以赚第二轮、第三轮、第四轮的钱。",[825,1844,1845],{},"风投其实严格上讲，它是一个很现代的产物，我们那个时候是没有这个东西的。",[825,1847,1848,1849,1851,1852,1855],{},"但投资本身，逻辑上你是要看其他的",[847,1850,70],{"href":965},"、它未来",[847,1853,88],{"href":1854},"\u002Fxianjinliu","，它确实能挣到钱，你才敢投，但是这样你也愉快了。",[825,1857,1858],{},"但风投不会像我们投资那样投的，他都是这里放一点那里放一点，他其实赚的是一个国家的钱。",[825,1860,1861],{},"那你看风投做得很大的，比方说像孙正义，你扣掉他前两名赚钱的公司，估计他都赚不到钱，加上了他其实也没赚多少，但他是非常有名的风投，所以其实这个很有意思。你说他赚的钱，跟Warren Buffett，跟Charlie Munger，就跟老巴比，那确实还是差很多的。",[825,1863,1864],{},"但是很多人他做企业，企业起来了以后，你作为企业的最早的创始人，市值很高的时候，他确实身价很高，但那个是一个剩下来的人，你可能同一年创业的人可以有1000万个人。",[825,1866,1867],{},"大家都看见Elon Musk了，你也跑去做电动车，你看看中国一年电动车，死多少人，就是这个道理。",[825,1869,1870,840],{},[829,1871,880],{},[825,1873,1874],{},"好的，谢谢段学长的回答。那刚才这位提问的同学对于段学长刚才的回答，有没有什么想要追问的？",[825,1876,1877,840],{},[829,1878,1656],{},[825,1880,1881,1883],{},[829,1882,831],{},"学长好，我是来自经济学院的，今天主要是代表我们的社团来的。我是浙江大学学生投资协会的，现在我是以这个身份出来的，因为我们协会里面的同学也都是非常仰慕您，然后对您买股票就是买公司的这个理念是非常认同的，包括我们自己也是这样做的。",[825,1885,1886],{},"刚刚那个问题是因为我们之前有想到，也是您刚刚提到的，就是说像风投之类的，就举个例子来说，像在医药公司里面，有很多公司，他比如说我要研发一个技术，这个时候他面临一个很高的不确定性，他这个技术能不能做出来，做出来之后他能不能过临床之类的。这个时候可能就需要去考虑高风险高回报的这种情况。所以我当时是想请教您这个问题。",[825,1888,1889,840],{},[829,1890,831],{},[825,1892,1893],{},"那你这么说，我能够理解。我作为投资人，我做企业的时候有可能会去做这种事情，作为风投做这种事情也是make sense的。",[825,1895,1896],{},"但是你大资金的时候，就比较困难。你不能说你用你自己需要的钱去赌一个你不需要的钱。那我肯定我第一年我自己赚个10%，20%挺好的，你搞一个500%回报但可能亏光光的事情，那我为什么要去做？所以我一般我不会碰这样的事情。",[825,1898,1899,1900,1903],{},"但是我觉得他现在这个机制挺好，他要有人去碰这个东西。你说的医药，这是个特别典型的地方。生物也好，医药啊，其实科技也一样，他有很多新的想法，但是呢你没有办法马上就有成熟的",[829,1901,1902],{},"生意模式","，那我们这样的投资人，我是不应该投的，因为我没有那么多时间，我要打球，还真是这样。",[825,1905,1906],{},"很多人说，哎呀，你关心这个，我说我不关心。我说等到他好起来了，我再来也可以，我不是个职业投资人。",[825,1908,1909],{},"虽然我管的钱比绝大多数职业投资人可能还多，我一个人管的钱可能相当于一个中型的hedge fund，估计even more。但是我并不会像他那么忙。",[825,1911,1912,1913,1915,1916,1919],{},"我看见好多人，三四百个人，天天忙乎着。我说你们在忙什么。你看我就买了个",[829,1914,958],{},"，你就拿着就完了。或者是人民币我就买了",[829,1917,1918],{},"茅台","，这其实我是不是就可以打球了？让他们忙。我看见很多投资人都是自己忙。",[825,1921,1922],{},"但是我理解你说的这句话，我非常同意，只是我自己一般会避免。",[825,1924,1925,840],{},[829,1926,1656],{},[825,1928,1929],{},"也就是说，在投资中，这可以理解为是两种不同的风格，但您更喜欢找那种高确定性的。",[825,1931,1932,840],{},[829,1933,831],{},[825,1935,1936],{},"你说的那个是高风险，但不知道有没有高回报的行当。我要知道它有高回报，我是可以take的，这个是取决于你懂不懂。",[825,1938,1939],{},"你不懂这个东西，像我买这个，大家也觉得都是高风险，我不觉得，所以取决于你有多懂。你懂你投的东西，我不一直说不懂不碰，你搞不懂的东西你不要去碰。",[825,1941,1942],{},"另外就是不要用Margin，你不要用股票去抵押一下，哇觉得股票要涨了，我就借好多钱，然后股票在涨之前掉了一下，你就完了，所以不要碰这种事情。所以这样我就觉得容易很多，你还可以打球。",[825,1944,1945,840],{},[829,1946,880],{},[825,1948,1949],{},"当下年轻人应该如何应对经济下行周期？",[825,1951,1952,840],{},[829,1953,831],{},[825,1955,1956],{},"其实当下老年人也应该面对这个问题，这跟年轻人有啥关系？没关系。",[825,1958,1959],{},"我还真不知道该怎么回答这个问题。好自为之呗，确实我们面临这个问题。",[825,1961,1962],{},"浙大人好一点吧，你还是可以找到好工作的，你还可以先读个研，实在不行再读个博。",[825,1964,1965],{},"当然，如果你刚好看见有你喜欢的好公司有机会加入，我觉得也是一个很好的选择，因为我看到就算是经济不是那么好的情况下，好公司都还是小日子都过得还不错的。",[825,1967,1968,1969,1972,1973,1975,1976,1978],{},"你说",[829,1970,1971],{},"腾讯","、你说",[829,1974,1918],{},"，比如说像我们公司，其实都挺好。",[829,1977,1918],{},"股价掉不等于它公司状况不好，它其实好得很。酒其实还是买不到，我们有直购买它的酒，给的量都很小。",[825,1980,1981,840],{},[829,1982,880],{},[825,1984,1985],{},"中国企业怎么能够真正地做到全球化和本土化？",[825,1987,1988,840],{},[829,1989,831],{},[825,1991,1992],{},"哪个企业？中国所有的企业吗？",[825,1994,1995],{},"现在中国算是做好了全球化的，可能就一个拼多多，一个抖音？其他的好像都是局部的全球化。",[825,1997,1998],{},"但是我觉得这个所谓全球化，实际上是一个，太老的话题，像一个伪命题一样。其实你并不需要去追求它，你到了该去的时候，你自然就去了。你根本就没有那个实力，也没有那个需求的时候，你走不出去的。",[825,2000,2001],{},"不要说别人，我们公司，我记得早年，我刚到美国的时候，我就觉得，哇，这个超级碗是一个特别好的做广告的地方。我觉得我们要有合适的产品，我一定把那个地方打透了。我们一直没有做到，我们一直没有找到一个合适的产品进入那个市场，今天也没有。",[825,2003,2004],{},"黄峥做到了。所以黄峥那次问我说，哎你觉得super bowl这个广告效果怎么样？我说我看见了。我说你觉得怎么样，他说效果还可以。我说还可以你才打两条。然后第二年打了四条还是五条，我不记得了。所以他就是一下子get the point。",[825,2006,2007],{},"我现在我在美国问所有的人，我说你们知道Temu吗，知道，几乎所有的人。然后我家里工作的这些很多人都用Temu。阿姨，housekeeper。但是它上面我要买的东西不多，但是有些东西它确实有很多人在买。",[825,2009,2010],{},"然后它最后还是要靠产品的quality这些东西。而且他们这个模式还是有点厉害的，它的质量是一点一点，一点一点地在往前走。",[825,2012,2013,840],{},[829,2014,880],{},[825,2016,2017],{},"好的，感谢段学长的回答。那接下来这个问题来自一位校友：请问段学长，企业高调而企业家低调和企业家影响力的对比思考？",[825,2019,2020,840],{},[829,2021,2022],{},"校友",[825,2024,2025],{},"我大概补充一下。这个问题提前写总是比较有挑战。就是您一直不大讲，虽然姓段，不大讲段子，所以就一直很低调。",[825,2027,2028,840],{},[829,2029,831],{},[825,2031,2032],{},"我低调吗？有几个企业家敢在雪球上说话的？",[825,2034,2035,840],{},[829,2036,2022],{},[825,2038,2039],{},"在来之前，昨天我们很多看雪球的同事告诉我您不低调，但是现在，刚才听到您讲的过程中，我觉得特别难能可贵的一点，您讲的都是普通话，但是大家听起来已经很珍惜。为什么呢？就是讲直白的真话、平实的话越来越少了，所以现在到了公众场合，很多人都拿捏拿捏。怎么样保持这个本心，就是今天我们学到最多的。其实我也是讲这个概念。",[825,2041,2042],{},"刚才您提到超级碗，就您做的产品、广告其实都是bling bling的，但是平时自己在为广告，公众场合代言的好像不多。其实我问的问题是这点。",[825,2044,2045,840],{},[829,2046,831],{},[825,2048,2049],{},"我早就退休了。我当CEO的时候我出来很多的，你现在还能找到一些我当年的视频。",[825,2051,2052],{},"那我退休了，我不在其位不谋其政，我要打球。所以跟高调低调没有什么关系，我其实我很正常，我就是个普通人，我从来没有刻意地高调也没有刻意地低调，我就做我该做的事情。",[825,2054,2055],{},"我不在企业一线了，你找我，我觉得我不合适，我不想去跟CEO们抢功劳。大家觉得这还是你的企业，它不是我的了，是他们的了，我只是个打球的人。",[825,2057,2058,840],{},[829,2059,880],{},[825,2061,2062],{},"您在雪球网上的账号昵称是“大道无形我有型”，不知道段学长为什么取这样的昵称呢？",[825,2064,2065,840],{},[829,2066,831],{},[825,2068,2069],{},"这个里面没有什么特别的故事。",[825,2071,2072],{},"大道无形本来就有这个说法，而且我以前在玩《梦幻西游》的时候我用的就是“大道”，叫“大道无形”。然后雪球上好像有人注册了“大道无形”，我就搞“大道无形我有型”，就是开了个玩笑呗，表示大道虽然是无形，但我可以有型嘛。有型（无形）两个字是不一样的。",[825,2074,2075,840],{},[829,2076,880],{},[825,2078,2079,2080,2082,2083,2085,2086,2088,2089,2091],{},"请学长分享一下和",[829,2081,1813],{},"交流之后，你们在",[847,2084,58],{"href":1803},"方面的最大共性是什么？以及有没有一些",[847,2087,146],{"href":1055},"的关于",[847,2090,58],{"href":1803},"方面的观点？",[825,2093,2094,840],{},[829,2095,831],{},[825,2097,2098],{},"我们对投资的观点，理解是一样的。",[825,2100,2101,2102,2104,2105,2107,2108,2110],{},"就是我刚讲的，投资其实就是",[847,2103,58],{"href":1803},"。你不投价值，那你投的是什么？但",[847,2106,125],{"href":1824},"不一样，人家",[847,2109,125],{"href":1824},"投资在机会上，你这样讲也OK。",[825,2112,2113],{},"那差异的东西是有的，就是我们对不同的生意的了解都是不一样的。他懂很多他懂的生意，但是我懂的生意他有时候也未必懂。",[825,2115,2116,2117,2119,2120,2122],{},"我可以给你举一个简单的例子。",[829,2118,1813],{},"也买了很多",[829,2121,958],{},"，但是他是在大概2016年开始买的，我是2011年买的。",[825,2124,2125,2126,2128,2129,2131],{},"我2018年的时候曾经跟他聊过一次",[829,2127,958],{},"。我还是专门去跟他聊的。反正我们有一个什么联络，他不知道听谁说，我估计可能听李录（喜马拉雅资本创始人、",[829,2130,1817],{},"家族财富的主要管理者）说我有一个博客。",[825,2133,2134],{},"他说哎哟你那博客，有没有英文版的我想看看。我说Warren，我那个博客，我的英文你又不是不知道，我哪可能用英文写呢，这是第一。第二我写的好多东西都是你那儿来的，他说哦，他说OK。",[825,2136,2137,2138,2140],{},"我说：但是你要想聊",[829,2139,958],{},"，我可以来跟你聊。他说：哦！任何时候，我太想跟你聊了。我说好，那我就去了。",[825,2142,2143],{},"他说任何时候你路过Omaha的时候就来。我就想路过，怎么路呢，我就查了地图，噢，去芝加哥是路过Omaha的，我就赶紧安排了一个去芝加哥的行程。然后我就跟他发了个email，说我要路过了，他说那你就来。还真是这样的。",[825,2145,2146],{},"然后到那个地方的时候，他自己坐在他的球会里头，坐在lobby那等我，我们有三个人。然后我们就吃着饭就聊了。",[825,2148,2149,2150,2153],{},"他真的是很厉害，他那一晚上一开始的时候，他对人很好，他就想办法活跃气氛。然后就讲他小时候曾经是喝百事可乐的，我说我怎么不知道这事儿，不都是喝",[829,2151,2152],{},"可口可乐","嘛一直说你。",[825,2155,2156,2157,2159,2160,2162,2163,2165,2166,2168,2169,2171,2172,2174],{},"他说那个时候，百事可乐的价钱只有",[829,2158,2152],{},"的一半，所以显然我要喝百事。好，然后我们开始聊到",[829,2161,958],{},"就是开始吃饭了。然后我说：OK，我们聊几句",[829,2164,958],{},"。我说，我觉得",[829,2167,958],{},"的",[829,2170,1902],{},"，当然我这里主要讲的是iPhone，是比",[829,2173,2152],{},"要好的。",[825,2176,2177,2178,2168,2180,2182],{},"“Wow”，他说。这一下，你想我做marketing出身的人，我可是知道点在哪。这是他关注，当然也是我关注的点。为什么说",[829,2179,958],{},[829,2181,1902],{},"好？",[825,2184,2185,2186,2188,2189,2191,2192,2194,2195,2197,2198,2200],{},"我说你看，你说",[829,2187,2152],{},"一半的价钱你就喝百事了。你知道Android phone和",[829,2190,958],{},"比它的价钱差多少。你看真正的",[829,2193,958],{},"的用户，who cares？没有人在乎。至少在美国是这样的，但在中国也一样的其实，真的用",[829,2196,958],{},"的人，他就用",[829,2199,958],{},"的。",[825,2202,2203,2204,2206],{},"然后这个事儿就完了。他说“I got it”。那天晚上我们就聊了好多别的乱七八糟的，没有再聊过",[829,2205,958],{},"。",[825,2208,2209],{},"然后到2022年，我去他们股东大会，然后他请我去他们的dinner，有个晚饭，在奥马哈的水族馆，有个dinner。我觉得这个好有意思，怎么在那个地方，我说我会不会搞错了？我就觉得我英文有时候不太好。我就说我早点去吧，我就提前半个小时去了，结果很顺利就找到了，人家那个路标什么都很清楚。",[825,2211,2212],{},"结果进到那个里面，它有一个大的hall，就是有一个大的像礼堂一样的，摆了50张圆桌，就吃饭用的，大概50张左右吧，然后进去的时候，里面就一张桌子上坐着两个人，就是Warren Buffett和Charlie Munger。",[825,2214,2215],{},"然后我到那的时候，对面走过来一个人，叫Bill Gates。",[825,2217,2218,2219,2168,2221,2223,2224,2226,2227,2229],{},"然后我们四个人坐下来，Warren讲了一句话，他把我介绍给Munger和Bill Gates说：“This is Ping。”我的名字叫Ping。他说，“他告诉我",[829,2220,958],{},[829,2222,1902],{},"比",[829,2225,2152],{},"好，所以我买了很多",[829,2228,958],{},"。”",[825,2231,2232],{},"我说哎哟，你想我们就那一天晚上说了那么一句话，4年了，他就got the point。我跟无穷多的人讲过，没有几个人能够get。他就一下子，就是一句话。然后4年以后，你想我跟他平时也不会见，他就直接这么介绍了。",[825,2234,2235,2236,2238],{},"当然他说买了很多",[829,2237,958],{},"，这个跟我没关系，那就是玩笑。但是他卖呢，他拿到现在还没卖完，可能跟我是有关的。但我不知道，我没有办法验证这件事情。",[825,2240,2241,840],{},[829,2242,880],{},[825,2244,2245],{},"在成为优秀的投资人、公益者的道路上，浙大对您产生了怎样的影响？",[825,2247,2248,840],{},[829,2249,831],{},[825,2251,2252],{},"在这我上了大学，我在这里学会了学习的方法，所以还是有影响的。",[825,2254,2255],{},"当然有了，当然浙大的学风也应该还可以，主要是它不在大城市里头，所以可玩的地方比较少一点。",[825,2257,2258],{},"其实我不知道，其实杭州现在已经很厉害了，你看我们两个公司都在杭州设的分公司，这边的人才很多。而且城市到现在为止都是净流入的，很多人才都会流进来，所以它很好，但是是不是就变得更多地方可以玩了，我就不知道，应该也是的。",[825,2260,2261],{},"但是这个不是什么坏事，我自己也喜欢打游戏，也喜欢这个那个，我们那个时候也没别的可以玩。当然我读书的时候也没有游戏，我们那时候还真没有游戏，下个棋顶多。",[825,2263,2264,840],{},[829,2265,880],{},[825,2267,2268],{},"您的下一个人生目标，或者说是终极目标是什么？",[825,2270,2271,840],{},[829,2272,831],{},[825,2274,2275],{},"健康地活长一点就行。我觉得生活还是要有质量。如果只是活着，插着管，为了某个理由，我觉得那个太痛苦了。",[825,2277,2278],{},"所以我理解琼瑶，我觉得她那个是有道理的，所以该给我拔管的时候就拔了吧。",[825,2280,2281],{},"但是你要为这个努力，你要自己好好地运动，好好生活，心情要好，这个时候需要乐观。",[825,2283,2284,840],{},[829,2285,880],{},[825,2287,2288],{},"您在开场时提到这是一个AI的时代，现在AI的发展非常迅速。前段时间OpenAI的创始人Sam Altman说可能两年之后或更快就能达到AGI。当然，也有一些反对的声音，像刚获得诺贝尔物理学奖的得主 Hinton，认为可能十年后AI可能会让人类灭绝。",[825,2290,2291,840],{},[829,2292,831],{},[825,2294,2295],{},"不是说三十年吗？",[825,2297,2298,840],{},[829,2299,880],{},[825,2301,2302],{},"我的问题是您怎么看待这个AI的发展？您觉得AI在这几年会发展得非常迅猛吗？它又会给我们带来什么样的影响？",[825,2304,2305,840],{},[829,2306,831],{},[825,2308,2309],{},"我的简单说法叫不明觉厉。我确实觉得它厉害，但确实不是很懂。",[825,2311,2312],{},"以后我还要问你们，这个AI到底会怎么样，学院的人肯定比我们更靠前，更看得清楚。我今天还在问人，你对NVIDIA怎么看，它现在有没有可能被替代等等，我确实不懂。",[825,2314,2315,840],{},[829,2316,1656],{},[825,2318,2319],{},"段学长，我想您也是一个非常成功的投资人，包括现在AI相关也有很多投资、创投，我之前也跟一些VC交流过。我作为一个硕士生，之后可能会考虑出国深造的机会，但是确实这个时代机遇不等人，那我是继续追求学业，还是说抓住机遇，放弃我的学业去选择创业？你怎么看待？",[825,2321,2322,840],{},[829,2323,831],{},[825,2325,2326],{},"这个不知道，这是取决于你。",[825,2328,2329],{},"我认识一个人，也算是球友，或者在LSI。他在Stanford读博士的时候，曾经有一个企业的老总跟他聊了两个小时想把他挖走。但是他是台湾人，他觉得我们中国人一定要先完成学业。跟他聊了两个小时的那个人叫Bill Gates。他没有去，他一辈子都在后悔这件事情，我猜的啊，不知道。",[825,2331,2332],{},"所以这个完全是你的决定，但是，他如果是碰见假的，他又去了，那就是另外一个故事，学业也没完成。",[825,2334,2335],{},"所以也不知道，这是你要自己去判断什么是对的事情，你要想你的长远，想十年二十年，而不是想着眼前这点利益。",[825,2337,2338],{},"你说拿学位也是对的，但是Bill 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